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What Would You Do? – Bob (#7)

Tue July 28th, 2009 by Ed Pearlman

I hope you enjoy this series of fictional scenarios about teaching music, and find it at times thought-provoking, familiar, and even humorous.  We look forward to reading comments by yourself and other teachers at the end, about “what would you do?”

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Bob is here for his lesson.  He has good energy, takes out his instrument and starts playing something he worked on this week.

It’s not what you assigned last week, and the timing is off so it’s a little hard to recognize the music.  He plays a recording of it for you on his mp3 player, and you can see what he’s trying to get at.

“It’s great you’ve worked on that piece.  We can get to that.  What about the piece we were working on last week?” you ask.

“I didn’t get a chance to play it much, and I really wanted to do this one,” Bob says.

It’s obvious he practiced a lot on the new piece, and this is not unusual for him.  However, it does feel a little odd for you as a teacher to spend time each lesson on something and not know if he will do anything with it during the week.

“I love this piece,” he says.  And that’s not unusual for him either.  He’s very enthusiastic.  He clearly enjoys the lessons with you.  Sometimes it’s a little hard for you to believe it, actually, because you have worked with him on many of the same problems, off and on, for a long time, with little success.

He wants more music to play.  He practices at home.  He has the initiative to bring in questions and suggest repertoire, sometimes playing it for you on an mp3 player or tape player.

You help him understand a phrase he doesn’t get.  “Let’s do a D scale,” you say, and he can play that.  “See how these note are a part of –”

“What about this second part?” he says.  Often he interrupts you.

“Here, let me play this phrase for you, and then see how you do with it,” you suggest.  You play the first measure, and then he’s already trying to play it.  You were hoping he’d get a feel for the timing but he’s clearly not thinking along those lines.

“Let’s try it together,” you offer.  He can play it with you, not perfectly, but he gets much of it, and after another time or two, it seems that he is absorbing the beat and timing of the phrase.

“I play every day,” Bob says, “I love this.  Can you write down this piece for me?”

He’s happy to have you take lesson time to transcribe a part of the music for him.  He reads the music sequentially by notes and after a while, he can absorb the timing of it, especially when playing along with you or a recording.

Over time, he has slowly picked up on some of what you’re saying during his lessons.  It’s hard on you whenever you expect him to hear and follow instructions, because he may not hear you, or he may try to do what you say but not the way you’re suggesting.

In short, Bob’s focus is pretty dismal, but music clearly means a lot to him and he is dedicated, in his own way.  You do wonder if your time is being spent wisely, and whether he’s getting his money’s worth, but he shows no sign of wanting to stop lessons.

What would you do?  Would you adjust to Bob’s style of learning, or do you need him to adjust to your style of teaching?  Are you concerned that Bob might tell others that you are his teacher, when he’s really not getting much of what you are teaching?  Or are you okay with keeping him happy with his music?  Would you carry on and see what happens, or would you establish certain requirements for him to continue with you?

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About the Author

Ed Pearlman

Ed Pearlman has focused on performing, teaching, and judging fiddle music for over 30 years, offering performances and workshops throughout the USA and in Canada and Scotland. His original training was with members of the Chicago and Boston Symphonies, and he played with orchestras and chamber groups at Yale and in Boston. He currently teaches privately at two music schools affiliated with music stores in Maine. Ed directed the Boston Scottish Fiddle Club in monthly workshops for 18 years, directed major concerts and festivals, and recorded 2 solo CDs and several with a fiddle orchestra and top soloists. In addition to Scottish and Cape Breton fiddle styles, Ed plays other Celtic, American, and Canadian fiddle music, classical and some jazz, klez and Hungarian. Ed created and for 11 years ran a CD distribution company to bring music to the USA from Scotland, Atlantic Canada, Ireland, Brittany and Wales. He's the music columnist for Scottish Life magazine.

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  1. The thing that stands out most for me about Bob is that he's not listening to you well, either your words or the music. I wonder whether there are other ways to improve his listening skills. Maybe some kind of memory game? Maybe he actually has some aspect of dyslexia or ADHD that impairs his auditory ability. In which case, you need to adjust to his learning style. However, few of us have expert knowledge in this area...
    Personally speaking if the student is happy and motivated, I'm inclined to keep them- I see it as doing a real service to someone to give that that kind of time and attention. But I hear that it's frustrating for you, and I'm not surprised. Tricky one.

    by Valerie — Tue Jul 28, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

  2. I know Bob really well. Bob is as passionate about playing as I am teaching. Bob gets about 5% of a new idea each week (maybe) and is happy as a clam to get that. I know Bob loves music and is a life-long learner. My relationship with him goes way beyond his instrument. I know his family and kids, what he does for work and what he dreads. The last thing I will do is 'require' him to play anything though he might tell you how I 'gently nag' him to help keep things fresh and moving along.

    Music educators should love Bob. There should be professional facilities in every major city who cater to all of the Bob's in the world. If we marketed to all of the Bob's the way say, fishing and golf has marketed to their 'fans', then we wouldn't be begging for our jobs every year in academia.

    It's the student that matters - not musical results. In Bob we have a life long music lover, a life long music purchaser and a life long learner.

    It's a no brain-er.

    by eugene cantera — Tue Jul 28, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

  3. At piano, student's like Bob, bring their own ideas and usually can only tap the top of the iceberg on the piece they have chosen to work on. I sometimes want to work with them on improving their audiation, teach them skills like thinking in direction and distance, half steps, whole steps, and to listen for repeatable parts for recycling, listen to patterns: melodic, harmonic, rhythmic. They need these skills to be able to do what they are undertaking. Have him begin to notate what he is hearing on music staff paper. Schematics of key range and I,IV, V major chords as well as ii, iii, vi minor chords, and the diminished chord, vii. Having theory in naming triads as well as degrees of the major scales, working with tetrachords - all will be promising for providing the expertise he needs to be able to make progress with his goal. Not providing information that is structured and progressive will leave you both frustrated. If he will do what you require, you can give time to his "by ear" projects. Perhaps you could take the lead in assigning music for which the instruction you would give for "ear" could be seriously studied together. Helping him find his way, would be a good thing, but he has to have the maturity to follow your lead. I don't think there are short cuts to accomplishment without adding some valid instruction that helps you know how music organization works. He needs to step up to the plate in my opinion and accept guidance to acquiring new skills, not to use you to fix what he cannot yet do. Instruction is needed. He may not see the benefit of that today. If he chooses not to follow the instuction you are already giving, that is one clue to you. If he refuses to join you in learning more skills in theory and using theory to improve his output in his goals, that is a second clue that this student is mostly unreachable as far as your ability to teach and reach him. Two clues. You get to decide whether or not to continue to let him be in the driver's seat. Week after week, this would drive me nuts!

    by Betty Patnude — Sat Aug 1, 2009 @ 11:49 am

  4. I have had several Bobs. One in particular had taken lessons for years (piano from other teachers in the same studio), but had very limited reading capabilities, extremely short attention span, and seemingly inflexible fingers. She loved to play specific songs over and over again and would start each lesson with a familiar song (which she also sang). I found this helped her relax so I let her. At first, I was extremely frustrated with her Bob-like qualities but I did not have the option of letting her go because I worked in a studio situation as just a teacher. If I had the option, I may have let her go. So I decided to figure out SOMETHING I could teach her that would sink in as long as I gave it to her in little pieces. So I found a song she liked, had a talk with her about following through with a song and not giving up no matter what, and she agreed to complete this piece with my direction. The agreement involved her playing other pieces she wanted to, as long as I had my time. One semester later, she played it well for her and greatly improved upon several weaknesses. Sometimes we would work on it for 5 minutes in a lesson. Sometimes she would be so excited that she was learning it, it would take the entire time. So to further her sense of accomplishment, I video taped it (she's recital shy) and made a DVD so she could have something to remember that determination and perseverance can help her accomplish seemingly unattainable goals. Keep the student, show her you care by not casting them aside. To me, music lessons are about 15% music 85% life. By the way, she became one of my most caring students in return.

    by Stephanie — Tue Aug 18, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

  5. For me, the first thing to do is determine what teaching responsibilities I have to Bob. If Bob is simply coming to me privately etc then I only have to worry about Bob's progress from his point of view. If Bob's lessons form part of a course or curriculum which is assesed in some way, for example within a school or university system, then I also have a responsibility to the institution - upholding standards etc. Of course the primary responsibility for ANY teaching situation is to the student, so even in this scenario my first order of business is to sit Bob down and have a chat about why he is learning and what he hopes to achieve as a result of his lessons. If his own desires and direction do not fall into line with your own idealologies as a teacher, or those of the institution, then you need to reccomend a different teacher or institution more suited to Bob's needs. If Bob's goal DO match, then you need to explain to Bob that in order to be successful he simply needs to do the work required - if he doesn't then he will be doing himself a dis-service because he will not be reaching his own goals. That being said - we should not discourage Bob from any other activities that he want's to do. Many times I have said to a student.. "You can do as much of whatever you like, as you like - and I'll even help you out with that stuff and work it into the lessons... BUT it must be IN ADDITION to the required material.

    by Jim McCarthy — Mon Aug 24, 2009 @ 2:03 am

  6. Tough issue. As teachers, we want students to learn technique and music theory, but students are motivated by results, not impractical knowledge.

    In a private lesson situation, I would be more apt to go with the student's desire. If Bob is a child, it would be good to discuss the situation with the parent. I've had conversations like this where the mom told me in effect that she's just trying to keep her kid off drugs and get him invested in something productive. Okay, so I'm not producing a Julliard applicant here.

    In a school situation, for better or for worse, the students pretty much have to follow the prescribed curriculum. Maybe if Bob-the-hypothetical-student really had this much motivation, I would try to carve out some time to keep him motivated to learn his music.

    I wrote post about a similar situation on my blog a few months back: http://stengel99.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/motivating-young-musicians-part-1-selecting-literature/

    by Stengel99 — Sat Oct 17, 2009 @ 8:43 am

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